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	<title>Comments on: GISDay 2007 at University of Kansas &#8211; Neogeography and GIS</title>
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		<title>By: High Earth Orbit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007 Year in Review</title>
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		<title>By: High Earth Orbit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Neogeography - towards a definition</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Danger Kile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Danger Kile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

I am sorry that I missed your Thursday tutorial.  I wasn&#039;t invited.  I will be able to figure that stuff out on my own, but it always helps to get that walk-through in the beginning.  I am a programmer that loves maps.  I started out doing mountain orienteering as a teenager (I could go fast, because of my ability to picture the world by looking at the contour lines), and I really like my GPS receivers.  I was totally turned off by commercial GIS, because who can afford that software just for fun?  You guys presented a really fun-looking alternative.

The day reminded me of my days as a Comp Sci undergrad.  We were so proud of our &quot;hitting the metal, har, har, har!&quot; low-level coding.  Industry folks kept commenting on graduate&#039;s non-preparedness for the workforce at conferences, so our professors had us work even harder.  When I finally reached the &quot;real world&quot; I was completely unprepared.  This was the early nineties and the business world was using SQL, OO, and RAD, and we were trained to write operating systems, and we worked really-hard learning these &quot;wrong&quot; skills, because we really wanted to be ready for work.

Your concerns about the message are reasonable.  I was near students and professors (I assume) during the talks, and (at least the folks near me) were struggling to understand the first four lectures.  How bad was this?  I heard one student (I assume) ask a professor (I assume): &quot;Did he just use the word &#039;monolithic&#039;? Is that &#039;one rock&#039;?  &#039;lithic&#039; is &#039;stone&#039;, and &#039;mono&#039; is &#039;one&#039;?&quot;  Another student was wondering out loud if &quot;IT&quot; stood for &quot;Industrial Technology&quot;.  Needless to say that Jeremy&#039;s &quot;it&#039;s this simple&quot; message probably wasn&#039;t getting through when he put up that JavaScript on the screen...

So, this reminds me of my own undergrad experience in Comp Sci because these folks didn&#039;t seem to have the same experiences that the industry folks did.  It&#039;s one thing to not be a Neo-geographer, but how do you get the most of the ESRI software if you don&#039;t have SQL and other IT skills?

I thank all of you guys for your time.  I really saw a new future that day.

Thank you,
Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>I am sorry that I missed your Thursday tutorial.  I wasn&#8217;t invited.  I will be able to figure that stuff out on my own, but it always helps to get that walk-through in the beginning.  I am a programmer that loves maps.  I started out doing mountain orienteering as a teenager (I could go fast, because of my ability to picture the world by looking at the contour lines), and I really like my GPS receivers.  I was totally turned off by commercial GIS, because who can afford that software just for fun?  You guys presented a really fun-looking alternative.</p>
<p>The day reminded me of my days as a Comp Sci undergrad.  We were so proud of our &#8220;hitting the metal, har, har, har!&#8221; low-level coding.  Industry folks kept commenting on graduate&#8217;s non-preparedness for the workforce at conferences, so our professors had us work even harder.  When I finally reached the &#8220;real world&#8221; I was completely unprepared.  This was the early nineties and the business world was using SQL, OO, and RAD, and we were trained to write operating systems, and we worked really-hard learning these &#8220;wrong&#8221; skills, because we really wanted to be ready for work.</p>
<p>Your concerns about the message are reasonable.  I was near students and professors (I assume) during the talks, and (at least the folks near me) were struggling to understand the first four lectures.  How bad was this?  I heard one student (I assume) ask a professor (I assume): &#8220;Did he just use the word &#8216;monolithic&#8217;? Is that &#8216;one rock&#8217;?  &#8216;lithic&#8217; is &#8217;stone&#8217;, and &#8216;mono&#8217; is &#8216;one&#8217;?&#8221;  Another student was wondering out loud if &#8220;IT&#8221; stood for &#8220;Industrial Technology&#8221;.  Needless to say that Jeremy&#8217;s &#8220;it&#8217;s this simple&#8221; message probably wasn&#8217;t getting through when he put up that JavaScript on the screen&#8230;</p>
<p>So, this reminds me of my own undergrad experience in Comp Sci because these folks didn&#8217;t seem to have the same experiences that the industry folks did.  It&#8217;s one thing to not be a Neo-geographer, but how do you get the most of the ESRI software if you don&#8217;t have SQL and other IT skills?</p>
<p>I thank all of you guys for your time.  I really saw a new future that day.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fixed - thanks for pointing it out!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fixed &#8211; thanks for pointing it out!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Bartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrew,

I enjoyed your talk as well.  One quick thing though, I am not the ArcGIS Server Dev lead.  I work on the dev team as a product engineer and lead a few of the projects that I showcased.  

Cheers,

Jeremy</description>
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<p>I enjoyed your talk as well.  One quick thing though, I am not the ArcGIS Server Dev lead.  I work on the dev team as a product engineer and lead a few of the projects that I showcased.  </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Jeremy</p>
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