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		<title>By: EL TRIANGULO DEL FUEGO DE LA NEOGEOGRAFIA &#124; Maps of the World</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-193282</link>
		<dc:creator>EL TRIANGULO DEL FUEGO DE LA NEOGEOGRAFIA &#124; Maps of the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de Neogeografía por Turner “Herramientas y técnicas geográficas empleadas para actividades personales o por un grupo de [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-189438</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dshorter - because it's not "beginner geography", it's actually a different application space, methodology, and toolset.

@Carl - this is a similar argument that Media and News are facing - bloggers, video bloggers, photographers given the same power as professionals. There are definitely potential pitfalls or negative consequences, but the benefits of tremendous. The responsibility lies with the tool developer and advocates to properly impart the wisdom necessary for the tools. However, this won't guarantee proper usage - but relying on obscurity and difficulty to be barriers to use isn't a satisfactory solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dshorter - because it&#8217;s not &#8220;beginner geography&#8221;, it&#8217;s actually a different application space, methodology, and toolset.</p>
<p>@Carl - this is a similar argument that Media and News are facing - bloggers, video bloggers, photographers given the same power as professionals. There are definitely potential pitfalls or negative consequences, but the benefits of tremendous. The responsibility lies with the tool developer and advocates to properly impart the wisdom necessary for the tools. However, this won&#8217;t guarantee proper usage - but relying on obscurity and difficulty to be barriers to use isn&#8217;t a satisfactory solution.</p>
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		<title>By: dshorter</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-188404</link>
		<dc:creator>dshorter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about simply "Ameateur geography"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about simply &#8220;Ameateur geography&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Is GoogleMaps GIS? :: High Earth Orbit</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-188359</link>
		<dc:creator>Is GoogleMaps GIS? :: High Earth Orbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thought more generally goes along with previous discussions about what is Neogeography, though more focused on the underlying technologies and even the question if GIS is primarily a set [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carl Reed</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-155172</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler -

A bit of context regarding my Neogeography response. From a NeoGeo perspective, there is the potential for harm due to the fact that geo content and applications can be deployed and used with minimal  consideration or knowledge of the underlying and fundamental principals of geodesy, cartography, and/or geography.  When combined with the lack of statements concerning quality, accuracy, whether the data are fit for purpose and so forth there is the real potential for misuse of a neogeo applications. Sure, if one is deploying an application showing favorite bike routes there is really no issue. However, if such applicatons percolate into mission critical applications, such as emergency services, where there are real human (legal) consequences . . .  This is the area of my concern. If NeoGeo applications are not properly positioned and used,  such misuse could hurt the reputation of the geospatial industry. I am not opposed to NeoGeo. As a matter of fact, NeoGeo is providing a great service in engaging a much broader community of geo developers and users.  But I also think we need to insure that such applications are properly positioned, advertized, and used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler -</p>
<p>A bit of context regarding my Neogeography response. From a NeoGeo perspective, there is the potential for harm due to the fact that geo content and applications can be deployed and used with minimal  consideration or knowledge of the underlying and fundamental principals of geodesy, cartography, and/or geography.  When combined with the lack of statements concerning quality, accuracy, whether the data are fit for purpose and so forth there is the real potential for misuse of a neogeo applications. Sure, if one is deploying an application showing favorite bike routes there is really no issue. However, if such applicatons percolate into mission critical applications, such as emergency services, where there are real human (legal) consequences . . .  This is the area of my concern. If NeoGeo applications are not properly positioned and used,  such misuse could hurt the reputation of the geospatial industry. I am not opposed to NeoGeo. As a matter of fact, NeoGeo is providing a great service in engaging a much broader community of geo developers and users.  But I also think we need to insure that such applications are properly positioned, advertized, and used.</p>
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		<title>By: RenaLId :: Questions sur la néogéographie&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-135046</link>
		<dc:creator>RenaLId :: Questions sur la néogéographie&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-132996</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GIS World magazine (Dec 07) has their annual "Industry Outlook" article where they ask their industry advisory board members what they forecast on a variety of topics.  This year they posted the question: "Does neogeography help or hurt the geospatial industry?"  Responses were generally positive, except from David Maguire (ESRI) and Carl Reed (OGC).

So far it looks like it is available only in print, but they eventually post the articles on their website: http://www.geoplace.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GIS World magazine (Dec 07) has their annual &#8220;Industry Outlook&#8221; article where they ask their industry advisory board members what they forecast on a variety of topics.  This year they posted the question: &#8220;Does neogeography help or hurt the geospatial industry?&#8221;  Responses were generally positive, except from David Maguire (ESRI) and Carl Reed (OGC).</p>
<p>So far it looks like it is available only in print, but they eventually post the articles on their website: <a href="http://www.geoplace.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.geoplace.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neogeography Use Cases, Pretending to be an Architect &#171; The Memory Leak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neogeography Use Cases, Pretending to be an Architect &#171; The Memory Leak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Use Cases, Pretending to be an&#160;Architect    Posted December 7, 2007    More discussion over at High Earth Orbit on neogeography [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Smith</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-131151</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One might point out that some of what is going on under the umbrella of "neogeography" - particularly as per your definition of 

"geographical techniques and tools used for personal activities or for utilization by a non-expert group of users; not formal or analytical" 

is in fact being done by folks who spend their days and nights coding and cracking technical issues, as opposed to the complete neophyte - the Joe Public who's touched nary a shapefile nor a line of code before in his life.  

Is there somewhere that "neoGeo" as empowerment of the non-geographers, non-coders and folks who don't have access to "real" GIS ala ArcGIS, et cetera ends;

...in turn blending into where "Geography 2.0" begins, forming the realm of OS, mixed-discipline professionals, coders and other similar efforts;

...which in turn also ends and blends into "paleoGeo" of the tradition desktop ArcGIS and similar users?

Doesn't it all at some point become a continuous spectrum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might point out that some of what is going on under the umbrella of &#8220;neogeography&#8221; - particularly as per your definition of </p>
<p>&#8220;geographical techniques and tools used for personal activities or for utilization by a non-expert group of users; not formal or analytical&#8221; </p>
<p>is in fact being done by folks who spend their days and nights coding and cracking technical issues, as opposed to the complete neophyte - the Joe Public who&#8217;s touched nary a shapefile nor a line of code before in his life.  </p>
<p>Is there somewhere that &#8220;neoGeo&#8221; as empowerment of the non-geographers, non-coders and folks who don&#8217;t have access to &#8220;real&#8221; GIS ala ArcGIS, et cetera ends;</p>
<p>&#8230;in turn blending into where &#8220;Geography 2.0&#8243; begins, forming the realm of OS, mixed-discipline professionals, coders and other similar efforts;</p>
<p>&#8230;which in turn also ends and blends into &#8220;paleoGeo&#8221; of the tradition desktop ArcGIS and similar users?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it all at some point become a continuous spectrum?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/neogeography-towards-a-definition/#comment-131139</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you might be a neogeographer if you asked @ajturner a question about how to do something and he said "hm, that's an interesting question".

you might be a neogeographer if you took "map library" and "library 2.0" and smashed them together and got something interesting.

you might be a neogeographer if you have some way of visualizing "like flickr, but for maps!" or "like twitter, but for maps!" or "like linkedin, but with maps!" (that last one I could really use).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you might be a neogeographer if you asked @ajturner a question about how to do something and he said &#8220;hm, that&#8217;s an interesting question&#8221;.</p>
<p>you might be a neogeographer if you took &#8220;map library&#8221; and &#8220;library 2.0&#8243; and smashed them together and got something interesting.</p>
<p>you might be a neogeographer if you have some way of visualizing &#8220;like flickr, but for maps!&#8221; or &#8220;like twitter, but for maps!&#8221; or &#8220;like linkedin, but with maps!&#8221; (that last one I could really use).</p>
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