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	<title>Comments on: State of the Map 2007</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Wolf</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/state-of-the-map-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-96668</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. The thing with the AAG is that they are Geographers first-and-foremost. Most of them view GIS as a tool and since they are academics, they get ESRI products basically for free. There&#039;s no incentive to put the effort into creating something new.

Because of this, most of the GIScience development occurs outside of Geography departments. Other departments, like Geology and Economics, find ESRI&#039;s products lacking and they don&#039;t mind writing a little code. Unfortunately, this code doesn&#039;t get rolled into open systems either.

There are a few GIScientists in Geography departments who are open systems supporters. Unfortunately, they are too few and far between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. The thing with the AAG is that they are Geographers first-and-foremost. Most of them view GIS as a tool and since they are academics, they get ESRI products basically for free. There&#8217;s no incentive to put the effort into creating something new.</p>
<p>Because of this, most of the GIScience development occurs outside of Geography departments. Other departments, like Geology and Economics, find ESRI&#8217;s products lacking and they don&#8217;t mind writing a little code. Unfortunately, this code doesn&#8217;t get rolled into open systems either.</p>
<p>There are a few GIScientists in Geography departments who are open systems supporters. Unfortunately, they are too few and far between.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/state-of-the-map-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-96533</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric Wolf - I know what you mean about the broader support and interest of open-technologies and data in Europe. I think the european communities have had tougher problems with closed systems and also have been better at rallying around open*.

The GUADEC conference was a good example, where almost all the attendees were European - and look at INSPIRE. 

However, the open* efforts benefit everyone, which is excellent. So even though the US AAG members don&#039;t currently embrace open solutions, hopefully they&#039;ll end up learning the benefits (or fall behind as they are locked into closed systems and expensive data).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric Wolf &#8211; I know what you mean about the broader support and interest of open-technologies and data in Europe. I think the european communities have had tougher problems with closed systems and also have been better at rallying around open*.</p>
<p>The GUADEC conference was a good example, where almost all the attendees were European &#8211; and look at INSPIRE. </p>
<p>However, the open* efforts benefit everyone, which is excellent. So even though the US AAG members don&#8217;t currently embrace open solutions, hopefully they&#8217;ll end up learning the benefits (or fall behind as they are locked into closed systems and expensive data).</p>
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		<title>By: High Earth Orbit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GUADEC 2007 - Free Desktop</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/state-of-the-map-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-96120</link>
		<dc:creator>High Earth Orbit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GUADEC 2007 - Free Desktop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I got to attend the GNOME conference, GUADEC, this summer as part of my UK travels and conferencing following State of the Map. I&#8217;m a long-time linux user and advocate, since second-year of college in 1998. However, after about 3 years of running it as my desktop, I moved to Mac OS X since it gave me the power and configurability I wanted, but without the constant administrative overhead and &#8216;recompiling my kernel&#8217; to play some new video or check email. Since then I have used Linux servers, but not for my actual desktop. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I got to attend the GNOME conference, GUADEC, this summer as part of my UK travels and conferencing following State of the Map. I&#8217;m a long-time linux user and advocate, since second-year of college in 1998. However, after about 3 years of running it as my desktop, I moved to Mac OS X since it gave me the power and configurability I wanted, but without the constant administrative overhead and &#8216;recompiling my kernel&#8217; to play some new video or check email. Since then I have used Linux servers, but not for my actual desktop. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Wolf</title>
		<link>http://highearthorbit.com/state-of-the-map-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-96020</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

There is a pretty significant rift between the US and Europe when it comes to GIS and cartography. Part of the reason is we&#039;ve got ESRI and everyone uses it - despite the costs. The other reason is that the US is pretty darned big. Because of the size of the raw data, there are many things that just aren&#039;t done in the US, like multi-resolution databases (my area of research). Further, our NMA, the USGS, has been hurting for funding because of the other &quot;extra-curricular&quot; activities of our President.

At the recent Association of American Geographer&#039;s Conference (the premier academic conference for Geographers in the US and, to a degree, elsewhere) there saw many presentations by Europeans discussing new methods of data collection and applications of open source software. But these were largely ignored by the US constituents.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>There is a pretty significant rift between the US and Europe when it comes to GIS and cartography. Part of the reason is we&#8217;ve got ESRI and everyone uses it &#8211; despite the costs. The other reason is that the US is pretty darned big. Because of the size of the raw data, there are many things that just aren&#8217;t done in the US, like multi-resolution databases (my area of research). Further, our NMA, the USGS, has been hurting for funding because of the other &#8220;extra-curricular&#8221; activities of our President.</p>
<p>At the recent Association of American Geographer&#8217;s Conference (the premier academic conference for Geographers in the US and, to a degree, elsewhere) there saw many presentations by Europeans discussing new methods of data collection and applications of open source software. But these were largely ignored by the US constituents.</p>
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